starter?

[Pittguy]

Hi Again,

Sorry to ask so much. I changed the ignition coils on my Force 90HP and as far as I can tell all went well.

When I went to start the starter spun and it had some trouble but that is pretty normal for this motor to not start cold. I did my usual routine then had a backfire which I also had in the past.

I then noticed no more starter action. I immediately checked neutral position and the kill switch (which may have been knocked by the keys) I reseated that and still no starter.

The one clear thing I notice is usually the start when trying rises up to the flywheel to spin. Now it is stuck in the flywheel position no matter what. I only get a click when trying to start nothing else. The starter part does not lower.

I checked voltages and seem fine for this novice.

I appreciate any and all ideas before the weekend. I will check some more this evening.

Thanks a ton in advance.

[mmwjr]

So the starters bendix is stuck engaged. Try tapping on with a hammer and a piece of wood in between to see if it will disengage. You can also remove it and spray with a lubricant. Last resort is to replace or rebuild it.

[Pittguy]

Tried the hammer a touch but didn’t want to break. Will try your suggestions.

[Pittguy]

So I am still stuck and cannot see a mechanic for a couple weeks. I appreciate any and all help here.

So I ordered two starters off of Amazon that were fits for my Force 90. After successful install of first it engaged flywheel and spun it. I was not too worried about firing up at that point as I juts changed coils in previous post. Then after about of five minutes of various start bursts (none very long) the gear on the starter stopped rising up to the flywheel never to do it again.

So second one came and exact same scenario. After the failing I noticed a questionable circuit breaker under the starter and bypassed it but still no help.

I am at a total loss other than I am just being send garbage starters??

What else to check?

The original problem was starter got stuck engaged in flywheel. Prior to that all was well.

[jparsons121]

How’s your battery voltage? A low battery could keep the bending gear from engaging the flywheel.

[mmwjr]

If you were operating the starter for 5 minutes one try after another the starter will heat up to the point of damage. During this did you verify you are getting spark at each plug. What about fuel, maybe a shot of starting fluid.

[Pittguy]

Five minutes may have been an exaggeration. I would have hoped a starter could take the actual starting action?

I guess I’ll try another brand as well.

Good points on checking for spark and fuel. I have the tester.

[Pittguy]

Finally back to this. Was able to get an Arco non Chinese starter and that is fixed. Unfortunately was also able to have him crank while I watched in-line spark tester.

No spark and no ideas. Changed to three after market coils before starter fiasco.

[mmwjr]

Originally Posted by Pittguy

Finally back to this. Was able to get an Arco non Chinese starter and that is fixed. Unfortunately was also able to have him crank while I watched in-line spark tester.

No spark and no ideas. Changed to three after market coils before starter fiasco.

Do you have a manual for this motor? You need to start by verifying each coil pack to receiving proper power and trigger.


force 90 ignition system diagram

[mmwjr]

There is a trigger under the flywheel that connects to the ignition module which then triggers the coil pack to fire.

[Pittguy]

Thx will look this afternoon. Also am receiving a circuit breaker that appeared iffy.

[Pittguy]

Was the stator and the pack for coil three. Was fighting two problems at same time.